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Somatic Healing & Transformational Journeys with Ashley Soro

March 13, 2024 Jennifer Lander
Somatic Healing & Transformational Journeys with Ashley Soro
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Somatic Healing & Transformational Journeys with Ashley Soro
Mar 13, 2024
Jennifer Lander

Today we are welcoming an extraordinary guest, Ashley Soro, she is a transformation coach whose work goes far beyond the ordinary. Ashley isn't just any coach; she's a beacon of light for guiding women through both local and international retreats. And these aren't just any retreats; they are journeys of discovery, which she rarely designed for women who are not only looking to make an impact in their personal and professional lives but also aiming to leave a lasting difference in the world.

Ashley's approach to transformation is deeply rooted in somatic healing, this is a method that emphasizes the connection between the mind, body, and spirit. Today, we are diving into this type of healing, and exploring its potential for profound personal growth.

What makes Ashley's journey truly inspiring is her own transformation. Starting her career focused on fitness and nutrition, she made a bold pivot, shifting her coaching business to prioritize inner healing. This wasn't just a change in direction; it was a leap towards fulfilling her true calling. Ashley believes in the power of healing from the inside out, and her work has been life-changing for those fortunate enough to experience it.

Ashley has a beautiful soul, and her impact on people's lives is immense. She's not just helping people change; she's guiding them to transform into who they are truly meant to be. It's an honor to have her with us today to share her insights, her journey, and her vision for a world where every woman can embrace her true potential.

So lets welcome the amazing Ashley Soro.


00:00 Somatic healing approach transforms lives with mindfulness.

03:15 Struggling with identity after leaving soccer.

08:01 Ashley's transformation from fitness to healing journey.

10:31 Emotions and trauma impact physical and mental health.

14:16 Overcoming challenges leads to deeper purpose.

16:11 Promoting somatic healing to stay conscious and aware.

22:08 Women struggle to ask, men have ease.

25:51 Continuing retreats and coaching program for healing.

27:40 Teaching self development and awareness as a coach.

30:17 You can change, believe in yourself.


Resources:
Ashley Soro International Retreats
https://embracethechangeretreats.com/

Book: Breaking the Habit of Being Yourself by Dr. Joe Dispenza https://a.co/d/07WBUOI
Landing Imperfect Website
https://landingimperfect.godaddysites.com/

Follow Ashley:
https://www.instagram.com/ashleymsoro/

Follow Bin Bargains:
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=61554547213119

Follow Jen:
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jen.lander/
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/jennifer.butram/ 

Show Notes Transcript

Today we are welcoming an extraordinary guest, Ashley Soro, she is a transformation coach whose work goes far beyond the ordinary. Ashley isn't just any coach; she's a beacon of light for guiding women through both local and international retreats. And these aren't just any retreats; they are journeys of discovery, which she rarely designed for women who are not only looking to make an impact in their personal and professional lives but also aiming to leave a lasting difference in the world.

Ashley's approach to transformation is deeply rooted in somatic healing, this is a method that emphasizes the connection between the mind, body, and spirit. Today, we are diving into this type of healing, and exploring its potential for profound personal growth.

What makes Ashley's journey truly inspiring is her own transformation. Starting her career focused on fitness and nutrition, she made a bold pivot, shifting her coaching business to prioritize inner healing. This wasn't just a change in direction; it was a leap towards fulfilling her true calling. Ashley believes in the power of healing from the inside out, and her work has been life-changing for those fortunate enough to experience it.

Ashley has a beautiful soul, and her impact on people's lives is immense. She's not just helping people change; she's guiding them to transform into who they are truly meant to be. It's an honor to have her with us today to share her insights, her journey, and her vision for a world where every woman can embrace her true potential.

So lets welcome the amazing Ashley Soro.


00:00 Somatic healing approach transforms lives with mindfulness.

03:15 Struggling with identity after leaving soccer.

08:01 Ashley's transformation from fitness to healing journey.

10:31 Emotions and trauma impact physical and mental health.

14:16 Overcoming challenges leads to deeper purpose.

16:11 Promoting somatic healing to stay conscious and aware.

22:08 Women struggle to ask, men have ease.

25:51 Continuing retreats and coaching program for healing.

27:40 Teaching self development and awareness as a coach.

30:17 You can change, believe in yourself.


Resources:
Ashley Soro International Retreats
https://embracethechangeretreats.com/

Book: Breaking the Habit of Being Yourself by Dr. Joe Dispenza https://a.co/d/07WBUOI
Landing Imperfect Website
https://landingimperfect.godaddysites.com/

Follow Ashley:
https://www.instagram.com/ashleymsoro/

Follow Bin Bargains:
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=61554547213119

Follow Jen:
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jen.lander/
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/jennifer.butram/ 

Hi guys, if you're new Delaney and imperfect, I'm your host, Jen Leander. And today we're going to be welcoming an extraordinary guest. Her name is Ashley Soro. She is a transformation coach whose work goes far beyond the ordinary. Ashley. Isn't just a coach. She is a beacon of light for guiding women through beautiful, both local and international retreats. I can not wait for you guys to hear more about this. She has carefully designed. Retreats for women who are not only looking to make an impact in their personal and professional lives, but also aiming to leave a lasting difference in the world. Ashley's approach to transformation is deeply rooted in somatic healing. So this is an approach that is emphasizing the connection between the mind, body, and spirit. We're going to dive more into this today. And explore how its potential can be profound for our personal growth. What makes Ashley's journey truly inspiring as her own transformation? She started her career focused on fitness and nutrition and made a bold pivot, shifting her coaching business, into prioritizing inner healing. It wasn't just a change in direction. It was a leap towards fulfilling her true calling. Ashley believes in the power of healing from the inside out and her work has been life-changing for those fortunate enough to experience it. Ashley has a beautiful soul and her impact on people's lives as an immense. She's not just helping people change. She's guiding them to transform into who they are truly meant to be. It's an honor to have her here with us today to share her insights and her journey and her vision for a world where every woman can embrace her potential. So let's welcome. The amazing Ashley Soro. Hi, Ashley. How are you today? So good. So I'm so excited to this is like making my entire day. So thank you for being on. I'm so excited. So it was interesting. I had a Amazing conversation with someone that works at my gym earlier, and it was just so deep. And I was like, this is the perfect prelude into this conversation I'm about to have with Jen. Yeah, that's awesome. I wish I was there. Oh, you would have loved it. It was so good. So, uh, I wanted to talk to you a little bit about, because I know some of your story, but not all of it. And I know you have made a big shift in your career and your life. So I just wanted you to kind of start by telling us. Kind of the backstory on what you were doing before and what kind of led you to the pivot that you, um, came to with your transformational coaching. Absolutely. So I've been in the fitness and nutrition industry since early 2017 and I always said fitness was a vessel. Because I knew that I wanted to do deeper work. It's just with everything in life. It's a process. And I felt this pull a couple of years ago. I started thinking about going to school to become a therapist. And at that time I was going through so much depression and it was because I had just finished competing as a professional. I am a professional in the WBFF, but I obviously don't compete anymore. I let go of that a couple of years ago, but in that moment in time, I knew that something was off and I was just chasing these accolades and these achievements and everything that I was doing wasn't enough. And I felt like the last time I had really struggled with depression was when I shifted out of this identity as a soccer player. I'd played soccer for 24 years of my life and having to pivot out of that was very difficult for me. And so finding. My space in the fitness industry as a competitor, I felt like that was my identity. So when I went through that really deep, dark depression in that period of my life, I thought, I think I should be doing something different. Only I didn't act on it because we know within mental health, when you're really low, when you're in a really low state, you don't want to make these big decisions. But I felt this pull at that time. And what's really interesting is a client of mine gave me this book. It's called a new earth at car toll wrote it. It's more of a spiritual book. And I remember she gave it to me and she said, this, this is a book to help you find your purpose because I was so at odds with what was happening. I read one page and I was like, I can't read this. I don't know what this says. It was just, it was just not hitting at that moment forward to early last year. I got out of a relationship. I was going through massive grief from heartbreak and I was still coaching my clients still in the fitness and nutrition space. And I just went into this deep period of healing. And I found more, more of my spirituality. I started meditating more. I couldn't stop reading. And I read that book in like two days. It was in essence, it was this massive period of healing that came after I knew that there was a part of me that wanted to do deeper work, only speaking for myself, and I'm sure there are people who have been through this, this process, I had to go through that space. I had to experience that discomfort to understand the level of transformation that comes from when you commit to the healing process. Do you feel like what you were doing before was pretty aligned with what you wanted to be doing, or do you think it's like you were saying you were struggling with your mental health a little bit so then you found all of these things that helped you transform your life? Do you feel like that was inspiring that you were like, yes, I have to share this with people. Absolutely. And I think that so many people will go through this major transformative phase and they want to help only if we bypass the process and digging and really going through that and understanding if I had to go through this process of healing. And I'm choosing to facilitate it for others. I can't bypass this space. So I thought of the fitness and the nutrition. And I said, all this time I'd been facilitating transformations for clients. But at the core, I knew that I, I wanted to be able to give more and I think that the only way for me to find that more was through going through the process myself and understanding that there was still a part of me that sought that joy of fulfillment from giving to others because I wasn't giving to myself. I wasn't me to myself. And I didn't recognize that at the time. So that process of healing allowed me to recognize that. And I thought, wow, if I was able to finally choose myself and give this to myself, now I can facilitate that deep work that I've been wanting to give to my clients for so long. Just not knowing there was a, there was like a piece of the puzzle that was missing. And that piece of the puzzle that was missing was truly the healing that I needed. Oh my gosh. I think about this too, because the work that I do as a psych nurse practitioner, for me, and I think this is pretty common for people as well, is if you're not taking care of yourself and you are doing that deep, hard work and you're trying to help other people and you're giving so much to other people, if you're not taking care of yourself, then sometimes that can impact. your mental health as well. So I found myself in a place where I started feeling, down and I was like, gosh, I, maybe I'm a little depressed here, you know? So then I was like, okay, no, I have to be healthy so that I can continue to give to people. And then I started reading all the books kind of like you were saying at one after another, and it was exciting me. And that's why I wanted to start this podcast too, because in my work, I love what I do and it's mental health, that's what led me to this too. So I think we're kind of similar in that area where there's just more to give and you just want to give. So that's amazing. And then to heal yourself. That's really where it comes from so that you can be in a place to give to others. But I love that so much. And that was, in essence, that was why we gravitated towards each other on such a deep level, because it was fairly recently where I really. Was like, I got to take this plunge and I have to shift. I have to rip this bandaid off because I was still stuck in the space of, but I'm Ashley Sorrell, lifestyle and fitness. Everyone knows me for fitness and nutrition that pivot into what is truly transformational because. Fitness and nutrition is transformational in and of itself, but wanting to go through that healing process. I had this imposter syndrome of who am I to shift more into this transformational coaching space when people know me for fitness and nutrition. And what's interesting is you came into my space when I was still full blown talking about macros and exercise and. I still teach that to my clients, but it's not at the core of the work that we're doing. But when you came into my space, it became very obvious that we both wanted to just give more in this deep healing space and in mental health, essentially. Yeah. And the work that I do during the day is I help treat eating disorders. So I'm always drawn to people who are talking about fitness or, nutrition, things like that. Cause even if I don't agree all the time with whatever they're saying, it's like my eyes and ears are open so I think that a lot of people. Obviously, when I'm working with people, they're struggling with body image and their relationship with food. So to me, it just all comes together. Like you have to do that deep healing so that you can have a good relationship with your body and with food so it is all, it's all connected. So a lot of people do tend to struggle when it comes to their personal development. And we were kind of saying that like you were saying with the book, you're like, I'm not ready for that. You know, like you just weren't in the space for that. Yes. when you're working with people and you're feeling that they're putting off that resistance, how do you help them overcome that? So for myself, I knew that there were blocks that I was feeling because I wanted to have the morning routine. I wanted to get up at a certain time and do the cold plunges and do the hard things. And unless I had this big, scary goal over there, I wouldn't follow those things. And even if I did, I still felt like there was something that was missing. And I found that so many of my clients felt that as well. For me, the process was Through somatic healing, because I truly believe in multiple different healing modalities. Everyone is different. They're going to try different routes of healing and what works for me may not work for someone else, but what I found in my own process and what I really do experience with so many of my clients is that we store, well, this is true in general, but we store emotions in our body. And trauma is stored there. And if we're not doing anything, we're gonna have a practice to release those emotions and they stay stuck. We have a very difficult time doing the things that we really want to get done. So that was why I had a hard time within the fitness space of the trainers that would say, you just didn't get it done. And you didn't work hard enough. I knew that because I was at odds with I really want to show up this way, but there's something that is blocking me apart from just the subconscious blocks. But whenever my client is hitting a wall and there's something that's not clicking, and it doesn't matter how many times we go over. Because I can give you the perfect plan, right? And it doesn't matter how many times we go over, all the little details that we need to nail down, there is always a block or there is something that is there that's holding them back from doing those things. So somatic healing was the biggest. catalyst for me to clear a lot of this stuck energy. So somatic healing is essentially, through the body. So if you are storing emotions, somatic healing would be to get those emotions out of your body through movement. It can be through dance. I personally love breathwork. I've done multiple somatic breathwork sessions and it's just. transformative and you get these images, you get these experiences that come up to the surface when you're in that space that you realize have been stuck and you release them. And it's not that you just wake up the next day and all your problems are solved. And it's easy for you to follow through with a morning routine and get all the things done that you wanted to do and stop procrastinating. But you feel like there's this weight. That came off your shoulders to where you feel like it's possible. So you still have to do the things that you want to do. It's not like you just magically, it all becomes easy, but you don't feel like there's something stopping you. You don't feel like there's this massive wall that you cannot get over. It turns into like a little step. I just got to go over the step. Now it's like you clear that resistance that's there. And that for me was through the somatic healing. So that's. A lot of times with my clients, I will ask them, you know, have you thought about getting into breath work? Because if they're struggling sitting through meditation. Right. They have a hard time calming the nervous system. I could tell them to meditate for 10 minutes every single day and it's not going to do anything. So the somatic, the piece within the somatic healing was huge. That reminds me of conversations that I sometimes have with my patients. When you. Yeah. are describing this block, trying to get through this because of that resistance. I have patients who are working so hard in therapy and their anxiety and depression are just really, it's taken a toll and they can't even get through to do the deep work and the therapy, then sometimes it's like, okay, then maybe a medication is something that you need. And that's the conversation that we have. It's never for me, the go to like the first thing for anxiety, depression, but if you are busting your butt and you just can't even get through it, it's like, Okay, then maybe a medication it doesn't take everything away, right? but it just gets you to the place where you can do the deeper work, so that seems similar in a way too, but so important. Absolutely. And to Isha's own, I just knew that I didn't want to take anything. I didn't want to take any type of medication. And there's, you know, addiction in my family. And I didn't want to go that route. I knew that the anxiety and the depression that I felt that there weren't reasons for me to sit in it. I knew that there was something that I could do to get myself out of that space. I just hadn't experienced it. And then when I committed to that, my life just changed. And I truly feel like when you experience something like that, it gives you so much purpose and wanting to help in such a deeper, more profound way. And I proudly say now, it's not that I just, I don't ever feel anxious or I don't ever get these, these really low feelings, but I proudly say I, I was able to overcome it because I used to sit in it and not know how to get out. And I would do all of the things and it was so frustrating. And, you know, because you're in the space, you see these. Patience. And you're like, gosh, okay, next best thing. What can we do? So you are not living miserably because when you live in that space and when you sit in it, you don't want anyone to experience it. It's like a dark cloud is following you and you feel like you're never going to feel like yourself again. And you don't know how to feel joy. How do I feel gratitude when I just, I'm sitting in this low space. And when you work through that, it's just, it gave me so much more purpose. It really did. When it comes to the things that you're talking about too with breathwork and movement, Are you encouraging? A daily practice? So even if they don't feel resistance or feel stuck, do you feel that it's helpful for them to continue to incorporate these things daily? Well, the somatic breath work is very that session is. Pretty rigorous. It's a lot like you're breathing hard for that full hour and you can do like the Wim Hof is, great for, it creates more of like a body high. It calms you down. What I have my clients do now is what is called segment intending. And it's a. process to stay conscious throughout the day. So it's not that you don't feel the feelings of the anxiety or the depression when they come up, but you're so aware of what's happening. So it has less of a hold on you. The reason why I want my clients to go through some process of the somatic healing is because you're moving some of that negative energy out of your body. And then when you go into segment intending of staying conscious and aware. You recognize when those feelings come in and you can almost coach yourself through, okay, I break my day into these segments. And if I'm staying conscious, what is it that caused this feeling? Did someone say something? Did I get a thought about something that happened? Was there a bill that I missed? Did I say something that I shouldn't have said to someone? There is a reason why that thought comes up that then causes that feeling of sadness or anxiety. So when we're aware throughout the day, and like I said, when you're breaking the day up, it's not, I set the intention of I'm going to be happy today. Well, then life happens, right? So breaking the day up into segments. You're so on it to where you can recall what happened that caused that thing, and you're able to coach yourself, you know, sometimes when we're used to spiraling down right like we have to be so on top of like the first. I had to make a conscious effort to stay conscious because when you're accustomed to spiraling like that, that just becomes your norm. You're like, this is who I am. I think negative thoughts. And then it turns into more negative thoughts. And then my whole day ends up being negative because this is just. So segment intending is a, is really fantastic daily. And then I'll always be an advocate for meditation because that changed my life. However, I used to try to meditate prior to the somatic work and it was like my nervous system it seemed to be still kind of out of whack. So. That's like the precursor to the daily practices, at least within the space of how I coach now. So when you're talking about meditating for you, and I'm sure it's different for everybody, it's just kind of being in tune to your body and what it needs. But for you, how long are you seeing that you need to kind of take a break from the meditation before you can start to incorporate that back in? In terms of incorporating what back in? so what I thought I was hearing you say was the somatic breathing, like after you do that therapy, you were trying to do meditating before that. Oh yes, I was attempting, so I would attempt to meditate prior to the somatic release. Okay, okay. And it was, 10 minutes seemed like, Four years, and I was thinking about laundry. I was not able to really sit and observe my thoughts. So when I when I had the somatic release, I went through multiple sessions and I did talk therapy and I was learning about guilt and shame. And I mean, I was borderline neurotic about like, I need to be better. But it allowed me to sit in that meditative space. Without my mind wandering so much because meditation is just becoming aware. It's just, I'm aware of my thoughts. And the beauty of that is when someone is really struggling with anxiety and depression, it's the thoughts that cause the feelings and then we sit in them and then we can, we feel like we can't get out of them. So when we're becoming aware and we're observing our thoughts, we then know, okay, well, this is why I'm feeling this way is because I keep thinking this thing. That is probably a lie or it's something that I keep telling myself because it's just what I've programmed in my mind is who I am or says how my day is going to be. So I know you have a retreat coming up and I am so excited for you. This is amazing, but I want you to kind of give us a glimpse into that. Also you have local retreats and you have international retreats that look incredible. So amazing. So tell us about it. I have to know. Yes. Well, the funny thing is I started off with just hosting international retreats. I'm the kind of person where I'm like, I'm just going to do this. And if it works great, if it doesn't, it is. It has morphed as, as I evolved, my retreats evolved. So it used to be this photo shoot retreat that in the fitness and nutrition space, I would get women prepared to go to a great location and we'd take pictures. And it was this beautiful celebration of all the hard work we put in, which is such a beautiful. process regardless. But as I healed and I started going through these changes, I wanted to incorporate more self development. I wanted to have healing. So then I brought healers on the retreat. So it just naturally turned into this more of a healing self development retreat. And I only did international ones because. Selfishly, I'm like, I want to travel. Like I haven't really been traveling. I need to incorporate more of this in because I was working and I wasn't really taking any time off and so much of what brings me joy is travel. So I was like, okay, we're doing international ones. And then there were several women that were like, Hey, so I would love to join a retreat, but I can't do international. Can you start doing local ones? So then we started incorporating that in. In January is the first one that I did locally. It was just a two day, a smaller retreat, but the international retreats at its core, it is a healing retreat, but I always want to have some level of fun and collaboration. The majority of the women that I am with are deep into self development. A lot of us intellectualize our problems. So that's why I like to incorporate the healing modalities. So the one that's coming up well, the one that's coming up fairly quickly, time flies, is in Tulum and we'll be having a shaman that's going to be hosting the cacao ceremony and a temezcal ceremony, just both different types of healing. Then we have a sister circle. We have what I call a summit circle, which is. Similar to like what you would call like a mastermind. It's like a mini version of it where it's everyone is sharing what their challenges are, what they're excited about, what they really want to ask from the group. Because I don't know, I feel like men don't have a hard time asking for what they want usually. But I think women when they get into this circle and even if it's a safe space, we're like, can you like, Follow me on Instagram. You know, we, we, we have a hard, most of us have a hard time for asking. So that space of sharing and collaborating and then creating this space where we're all connecting. And I did a lot of inner child work because I wanted to include that within my coaching. So much of it came from when I moved from Michigan to California, I was this outsider and I was 10 years old and it was a really big shift and I felt like I didn't belong and it really affected me so much so I didn't have confidence in myself. I was just really good at soccer player, but I. I would go out on the field and I lost all of my confidence. And when I finally felt like I was part of the team, it felt like everything just opened up and blossomed. So I thought to myself, wow, this is why I've wanted to create this space with women is because the power of the community and the power of that group energy, when you have this beautiful group and community of women you want to pour into someone else because it just makes you feel so good. And then when you have this group and they're just so supportive, it's just everything. So I wanted to have some healing. I wanted to have a little bit of fun. We're doing a cenote excursion. Um, those sound absolutely incredible and, when I heard that you were doing the international retreats and that you just kind of started off doing that. I'm like, that is amazing, like courage. And you just, you absolutely did just go for it. And I'm like, gosh, maybe I should do that. No, I'll just go here. Show you the ropes and you're like, all right, I'm doing it. I know. So when people come to your retreats. When they sign up, is it they can go to one or is it like they go to all three? Like when they sign up, is it a package deal or how does that work? it's separate. So I can sign up for Tulum, but then, you know, Bali is in August and then Santorini is in October. So you sign up for one and you can always sign up for the next one. I haven't done. A membership, or I haven't done anything that's like a package in terms of like a year package, but it's definitely something that I thought about, especially within my coaching, because if someone is applying for coaching and they, let's say they're ready to commit for like six months or a full year that I would want to offer a retreat within that package. But that's just something that I haven't built yet. So with your coaching business, what's your vision like for the future? How do you want that to evolve? Like what are you hoping for with that? Well, I. I loved interpersonal communication in college for a very specific reason, because the one on one, I'm with you, I'm giving you my attention, there is so powerful, and the feedback that I get is, you provide the safest space, and I pride myself on that, because, I just posted a story on this, shame stays. Within you when you don't feel comfortable enough to share when you don't feel comfortable enough to be vulnerable. So as much as I told myself, you know, I want to have these big crazy coaching programs and a team. I always want to keep some type of one on one relationship because there's just something beautiful and giving one person undivided attention and helping them feel so seen and heard. While still, I truly believe in, like I said, the power of collective, like group collective energy. But I see myself always having clients in a one on one space while also opening up group coaching. I see myself continuing with retreats because that is At its core, I think that grew with me and I love the idea of taking someone from the monotony of their life to retreat and create a life that they really want to live that they can't necessarily see in the in. Their position wherever they are, whether or not it's the same environment at work, the same environment at home. Maybe they're with someone who isn't as supportive. And then when they pull themselves out and then they can envision this future for themselves, it gives them that much more of this oomph to move forward. So the retreats will always be there. My coaching program, the one that I had been creating, that was a shift from my fitness and nutrition is a three month coaching program. And it is, is it is essentially facilitating healing. It's going through a lot of subconscious reprogramming. It's going through inner child work there. There's some shadow work in there. it's pretty in depth with what we're going to be doing over the course of three months. But I haven't thought, Of the next step, because I'm still in this process of solidifying it and, and making sure that the curriculum feels right, given the process that I went through and all the things that I'm continuing to learn, but there will always be a one on one coaching. I will have a group coaching program, um, but still more of a small on the small scale. And then the retreats, I will always have some type of. Retreats as well. So I was curious to, I know with therapy and coaching, there's this fine line between mental health and the personal development world. Do you feel like, how do you feel like you kind of navigate that where it's separating the two, well, and we were saying like self development is one thing. And especially like as a coach, when you're teaching self development, there is a fine line because right therapists do what they do within therapy. And you don't want to be outside of your scope of what you're able to coach or what you're able to provide in terms of transformation. That also brings about a ton of imposter syndrome because I even thought about going to school for therapy, but I was not getting this strong pull to do that. And for me, I also thought about the fact that I really gravitated towards the books within spirituality. I was really taking in so much within the spiritual space. And when I broke down what it was that I was teaching, it's an essence self development, but what I was teaching was awareness. Like if we know that we are not our thoughts and our feelings and we are the awareness that is experiencing it. And then that dictates our thoughts and our feelings, which then that moves into what our actions end up being. That in essence is a mindset. That's a mindset shift. That's becoming aware and making different choices within mindset. So it's still within that scope of mindset. It's just, um, not ignoring the fact that there are healing modalities that are beneficial. Now I'm not a breathwork facilitator. I don't have my certification within breathwork. Um, and I'm not a Reiki master. So then I also have. a Brathwork facilitator that I have my clients go to. I have a Reiki certified master that I send my clients to. So there's always a way to work within your scope to where you're not feeling like you are not operating out of integrity. Because that's, that was big for me, Yeah, well I love the work and the healing that you're providing to people. I think it's incredible and the world needs more people like you. And because we were talking about books and I love books, I'm on this whole thing where I'm reading a book a week, so what is a book that you would recommend? Like your favorite book or just something you would recommend to someone? This one runs deep for me because it was in the midst of my healing process. And it is an incredible book. I'm a huge fan of Dr. Joe Dispenza, Breaking the Habit of Being Yourself was one of the books that I read in that process where I don't know how quickly I read that book. I'd have read that book very, very quickly, but that book was the first one that really hit home. And I think also because of where I was at in life and I was really truly ready to receive the information. I am the creator of my life. I am not a victim of my life. So if I don't like what's happening in my life right now, I have every capability of changing it. And that was in essence, breaking the habit of being yourself. The person that tells you that you're not capable of that change is not you. You have every capability of changing those thoughts. And so that book was huge because He explained it in a way he bridged science and spirituality in a way that was so easy to comprehend. And I just felt like I could accomplish anything that I set my mind to after reading that book. So it was within that transitional phase of, of getting into this deep healing work at the perfect time. With a fantastic person explaining in a way that is very easily digestible and just reading phenomenal content. So I'd recommend that book. It's actually a book that I am going to be sending my clients that join my program. I will be sending them that book to start off. Part of the program is reading. I have several books that we're reading throughout the course of the program that is like mandatory. Because it was also part of my process and you know, you read and you put all these things together and you're like, I, I've heard this on podcasts and I've heard people say this before, but for whatever reason, the way that they're explaining it right now is really hitting home for me. Absolutely. I haven't read that. So I'm going to order that. Oh, it's so amazing. I'm going to link it in the show notes too. So everyone grabbed that book. but thank you so much for being on. This was such an amazing conversation and I want everyone to go find you. So tell them where do you have a website, your Instagram, whatever, where, where can we send them? Absolutely. Okay. So my Instagram guys, it's a new name. Holy moly. I had this really long name before it's Ashley, A S H L E Y M as in Mary sorrow. S O R O. That is my Instagram. I would love for you to check out our. Embrace the change retreats page. It's www. embracethechangeretreats. com. That is where all of my international retreats are hosted. That was the, my baby within the branding of recreating this new identity. And if you are a high achieving woman who is heart centered and wanting to make this world a better place and has all these big goals and dreams. Check out that page and join us this year. So exciting and i'll link it in the show notes too. So everyone can just click right on it and check it out All right, ashley. Well, thank you so much. This was amazing and i'll catch you on instagram. You guys, I have to take a minute to share with you an amazing store that just opened up a few weeks ago in Geneva, Ohio. Ben bargains aims to make your shopping experience affordable while providing quality products at unbeatable prices. And when I say on beautiful prices, that is exactly what I mean. They offer the most incredible highlight items in their bins. Insane deals, a few things that they've thrown in there.$7 bins are a PlayStation five AirPods iPads. 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Stay up to date with them on Facebook at Ben bargains, where they often share their deals and you can find their hours and Ben prices there as well. So happy shopping Thank you so much for joining me on this episode of landing imperfect. I truly appreciate you being a part of this community and sharing this journey with me. If you do want to connect further, then don't hesitate to follow me on Instagram at Jen dot Lander. I would love to hear your thoughts, any questions or any stories that you want to share. So, DME there, I also have a website. It's a landing and perfect website where I share a blog post about my podcast, and then you can join my email list. I have a PDF that provides anxiety and stress management tools that you can. And use as well when you join my email list. So check it out. My website will be linked in my show notes. So don't hesitate to reach